Premier League 2012/13: Manchester United campione

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ma davvero

che pena certi commenti

vero vero, grande ferguson che dice fortunati agli altri quando poi ha vinto 2 CL di c**o, bene così...

diamo la juve del'anno scorso in mano a ferguson e vediamo che combina,...smontiamogli la squadra ogni anno dei pezzi migliori come fanno a wenger e vediamo cosa combina il fenomeno...o togliamo gente importante come ha fatto la triade al primo lippi

26 anni in cui fa quello che vuole senza limiti e non si ricorda di uno united con gioco stellare, lo si dice del milan di sacchi, della juve di lippi, di conte, del barcellona di guardiola ecc. ma non dello united

piange che chelsea e city spendono troppo e poi lui fa lo stesso, ma evidentemente ha memoria corta e non si ricorda come ha buttato molti soldi lui...

l'anno scorso quanti punti si è fatto rimontare dal city? una decina?

visto che vince, farebbe bene a starsene zitto e stop, non sparare cazzate

Modificato November 25, 2012 da Nicklas Bendtner

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Questa è esagerata...sto zitto diventerei troppo volgare...che fica!!

holly peers è meglio

[GoldenGol 646]

Sette anni fa se ne andava una delle più grandi leggende che il calcio abbia mai avuto l'onore di godersi...

SIMPLY THE BEST

........7......

CIAO GEORGY

[GoldenGol 646]

Salute a voi tutti

ed alzate il bicchiere

perchè io sono il migliore

me per voi solo Best

se non fossi stato

poi così affascinante

oggi quasi nessuno

ricorderebbe Pelè

Tutta la mia vita

è stata una corsa sfrenata

ho speso i guadagni

dei miei anni migliori

su auto veloci e fiammanti

con donne importanti

ma il resto dei soldi

li ho tutti buttati

io sono il calcio moderno

dei vostri maestri

sono il genio del football

di questi anni ribelli

Io sono Best

io sono Best

il mio nome è Best

io sono Best

Sono l'ala che spinge

sono il fantasista

quello che finta che dribla

salta l'uomo tira e poi segna

sono il pallone d'oro

in questo mio '68

un ribelle sul campo

con lo stadio in delirio

sono il figlio sbagliato

in questi tempi ormai morti

sono il mondo che cambia

che corre sempre più forte

Io sono Best

io sono Best

il mio nome è Best

io sono Best

A più donne e motori

a più fiumi di birra

alle bottiglie ormai vuote di vodka whisky e martini

agli amici sbagliati

nei troppi pub affollati

dove l'ultimo giro

della mia ora è arrivato

alzate i bicchieri

per quest'ultima volta

ma guardate e pensate

alla mia triste fine

Io sono Best

io sono Best

il mio nome è Best

io sono Best

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[Meglio Calvo che Pelato 5325]

best ha campato poco ma s è goduto ogni attimo della sua vita da quando è esploso

[Peaky Blinders 2410]

Salute a voi tutti

ed alzate il bicchiere

perchè io sono il migliore

me per voi solo Best

se non fossi stato

poi così affascinante

oggi quasi nessuno

ricorderebbe Pelè

Tutta la mia vita

è stata una corsa sfrenata

ho speso i guadagni

dei miei anni migliori

su auto veloci e fiammanti

con donne importanti

ma il resto dei soldi

li ho tutti buttati

io sono il calcio moderno

dei vostri maestri

sono il genio del football

di questi anni ribelli

Io sono Best

io sono Best

il mio nome è Best

io sono Best

Sono l'ala che spinge

sono il fantasista

quello che finta che dribla

salta l'uomo tira e poi segna

sono il pallone d'oro

in questo mio '68

un ribelle sul campo

con lo stadio in delirio

sono il figlio sbagliato

in questi tempi ormai morti

sono il mondo che cambia

che corre sempre più forte

Io sono Best

io sono Best

il mio nome è Best

io sono Best

A più donne e motori

a più fiumi di birra

alle bottiglie ormai vuote di vodka whisky e martini

agli amici sbagliati

nei troppi pub affollati

dove l'ultimo giro

della mia ora è arrivato

alzate i bicchieri

per quest'ultima volta

ma guardate e pensate

alla mia triste fine

Io sono Best

io sono Best

il mio nome è Best

io sono Best

STUPENDA! @@

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mi permetto di quotarti qui, così ho un altro che porta le mie stesse tesi

Allena il Manchester da ventisei anni e ha vinto le due Champions più sculate (perlomeno nella finale) della storia. Fortuna che perlomeno il Barcellona gli ha dato le lezioni (nel risultato oltre che nel gioco) che meritava.

Mai piaciuto il suo gioco, un 4-4-2 scolastico alla Capello, ma con ali più veloci e di qualità.

Allenatore difensivista, raramente non mi sono annoiato a veder giocare il suo Manchester.

Con i giocatori che ha avuto in Europa doveva vincere di più, o perlomeno vincere con merito (e non sculando) quello che ha vinto.

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Chanting 'can we stab you every week?' and mocking the Jews killed in Nazi gas chambers... West Ham fans' despicable behaviour at Tottenham disgraced football

By JONATHAN MCEVOY

PUBLISHED: 10:15 GMT, 26 November 2012 | UPDATED: 13:39 GMT, 26 November 2012

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The bile-spewing West Ham fans who baited their Tottenham Hotspur rivals because some of their number had been stabbed by a Nazi mob could take a couple of lessons in history.

First, they could acquaint themselves with the famous image of Bobby Moore and Pele embracing in 1970.

The icon of West Ham and England was rated by the greatest footballer in history, the man with whom he is pictured swapping shirts, as the finest defender of them all.

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Disgusting: Sections of the West Ham support brought shame on their club with their chants at White Hart Lane

What the West Ham fans were chanting

'Viva Lazio'

'Adolf Hitler, he's coming for you'

'Can we stab you every week?'

Joy, warmth and respect abound.

Second, and more gravely, they may wish to consider the horrors of the Holocaust, the mass extermination of two-thirds of Europe's nine million Jews.

They were men, women and children for whom there were no tomorrows. Many arrived on trains to be gassed to death.

Forgive the stark reminder but what other recourse is there for those too young to know – or perhaps too callous to care – among the latest group of football fans to besmirch the name of a proud club and our national sport?

Too young to know? We are perhaps being too kind here because only last week – not in the middle of the last century - Ashley Mills, a 25-year-old Tottenham fan, was the most severely injured of 10 compatriots who were subject to an unprovoked act of violence while drinking in the Drunken Ship pub in Campo de Fiori, Rome, ahead of his club's Europa League tie with Lazio.

Heard around the world: West Ham fans' chants were highlighted by Sky Sports News

No gas chambers this time but knuckle-dusters, knives, baseball bats and broken bottles. How we have moved on since Hitler committed suicide.

The Ultras – renowned hooligans in the Eternal City – had come 50 strong to make an anti-Semitic attack against Tottenham, with their traditionally Jewish heritage.

Two men, both fans of Lazio's neighbouring club Roma, were arrested and charged. In celebration of the foregoing hate-crime, West Ham fans, who were said to number hundreds rather than dozens yesterday, chanted 'Viva Lazio'.

They hissed during the game, imitating the Holocaust gassing.

They chanted: 'Adolf Hitler, he's coming for you.'

Tottenham, who won 3-1, asked: 'Can we play you every week?'

The tasteless response from the away end: 'Can we stab you every week?'

VIDEO: Anti-semitic chants at Spurs? Fan video captures shouting in the stands

Aftermath: The Drunken Ship pub in Rome where Spurs fans were attacked this week

Y-word: Spurs fans call themselves the Yid Army

The morons may be a minority in football crowds, as apologists always tell us, but they are too big a minority to be waved aside as an unimportant sideshow. The lessons of the last few weeks and months tell us that.

For all the immense progress that has been made over the last 30 years to dispel the worst of the right-wing hooligan element from our stadia and to welcome women and children into what was once an intimidating machismo bastion, the fact is that a base element who would not be tolerated in other walks of life find expression in the anonymity of the football crowd.

I stress the word football deliberately. You would not find this kind of racist conduct from the striped blazers in the Lord's Long Room to the hooped shirts at our rugby league grounds, even though much drink is regularly consumed at both ends of sport's class spectrum.

I would also emphasise that this is not a total evisceration of football. Many, many thousands cheer their clubs on passionately while never contemplating any sort of race or religion-based barbarism.

Indeed, many West Ham fans will curse Sunday's offenders, whose thuggish antics appal their sense of innate decency.

We are talking about the kind of decency that is not of the headline-grabbing variety generated by the Society of Black Lawyers, who are in danger of making a mockery of the situation by objecting to Tottenham fans calling themselves the Yid Army.

I would rather those supporters did not use the Y-word but that is their business and, anyway, I detest political correctness.

But back to football. We only need to look at recent events to know that the game is apt to throw up anti-social chants.

Derby day: Not all West Ham fans at White Hart Lane were involved in the offensive chanting

There are Liverpool fans goading Manchester United fans with aeroplane gestures. That last happened at Anfield on September 23, 2012.

The 21 who died in the Munich air disaster perished on February 6, 1958.

United fans retorted with: 'Always the victims – it's never your fault' just as they had the previous week in their 4-0 win over Wigan.

The background to the victims ditty was the Hillsborough tragedy of 1989, when 96 Liverpool fans were crushed to death.

But what gave this oh-so-witty exchange topicality was the release a few days earlier of the Hillsborough files that incriminated the police and finally exonerated Liverpool fans of being complicit in their own demise by being drunk and ticketless.

Not always off the pitch: The Premier League has been rocked by race rows such as the one between Chelsea captain John Terry (right) and Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand

In vain, Sir Alex Ferguson had led the calls for the long-awaited report to mark an end to the unsavoury chanting excesses that have long accompanied one of football's great tribal rivalries.

We are also aware of Manchester City's Munich runway song. And of Liverpool fans booing the National Anthem at Wembley before the FA Cup Final in May.

And of John Terry, the then England captain and still captain of Chelsea, calling Anton Ferdinand a black ****.

Arsene Wenger, the cerebral Arsenal manager, is so regularly taunted by paedophile chants that he has learned to block them out.

In light of this background are we surprised by yesterday's anti-Semitism?

Well, Michael Henderson, the prominent sports writer, quoted in hisbook Fifty People Who Fouled up Football a prison doctor-turned-writer called Anthony Daniels, who observed the worst kind of football fan supporting England in Rome, of all places: 'They think of their savagery as a kind of democratic virtue, a proof that they do not hold themselves above the common man.

'Hence their surprise, outrage and disbelief when they are treated by foreigners as the most degraded specimens of humanity they have ever encountered.'

Seems so long ago: But this picture of Bobby Moore and Pele at the 1970 World Cup is much more recent than some of the things the West Ham fans were singing about during the match at White Hart Lane

What to do beyond the well-meant but inadequate tactic of placing a phone number in match-day programmes and inviting people to phone in anonymously to report misbehaviour they witness?

One answer is to dock points from the offending fans' team. It might work but is that unfair on the clubs who themselves scorn the rogue elements among their supporters as much as any of us?

Still, it may be worth a try, not least because levying a fine is a largely meaningless sanction in a sport oozing with monopoly money.

Requiring the police to do their job properly would seem another massive advance. Why did they not make a few hundred arrests yesterday?

Of course, we know the practical impediments to doing so, but should not a new standard, intolerant of craven misbehaviour, be imposed?

Or perhaps we should just show the morons that picture of Moore and Pele. Hopeless romanticism, no doubt.

Failing that, let us explain to them the horrors of Auschwitz and Dachau and tell them about Himmler and Heydrich and Eichmann.

And ask them if they still find their little joke so hilariously funny.

West Ham vow to ban fans for life as Tottenham and FA probe into anti-semitic chants which mocked Spurs fans stabbed in Italy

Peter Herbert confirms society of Black Lawyers have reported incident to the police

West Ham working alongside Tottenham in investigation

Football Association prepare to launch probe into alleged chants referring to Adolf Hitler and attacks on Spurs fans in Rome last week

By LAURIE WHITWELL and CHRIS WHEELER

PUBLISHED: 18:25 GMT, 25 November 2012 | UPDATED: 14:16 GMT, 26 November 2012

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West Ham have vowed to enforce life bans on any fans found guilty of participating in vile anti-semitic chanting that marred yesterday's London derby.

The club are working with Tottenham in their investigation after references to Adolf Hitler, the Holocaust and last week's brutal attacks on Tottenham fans in Rome were reportedly heard during West Ham's 3-1 defeat at White Hart Lane.

A statement issued by West Ham this morning said: 'West Ham United are in contact with Tottenham Hotspur to assist them with their investigation into the conduct of a small number of supporters and alleged inappropriate chanting during yesterday's match at White Hart Lane.

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Let down: West Ham fans hit a new low with their chants at White Hart Lane

Tweet from Sportsmail's Alex Kay

Lazio' chants have gone on for most of first half. Not just a few people, hundreds. It's sad and pathetic. Ban them all.' @Alex_Kay_DM

'West Ham United will take the strongest possible action against any of their supporters, including enforcing life bans from the club, that are found guilty of behaviour which is categorically not condoned by West Ham United.

'During the 46 games in the Championship last season, West Ham United had zero arrests for racism or violence, so while we are surprised to see such reports today, we will examine any available evidence of such conduct thoroughly and take the appropriate action.'

The chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers Peter Herbert also confirmed his organisation had already notified police after some Hammers supporters appeared to mock the gassing of Jews in the Holocaust during the match at White Hart Lane.

Asked if he would take the issue to the police, Herbert told Sky Sports News: 'We've done so already.

'In fact we were due to meet a borough commander of the Met Police either later this week or early next week and it's one of the things that will be on our agenda.

'As far as we're concerned there has to be zero tolerance of this. If these people can be identified on camera and prosecuted then that is something we'd like to see

Sportsmail has learnt that FA officials are waiting to digest the referee's report before launching a full probe - although off-the-field incidents typically take longer to investigate than those on the pitch.

Hundreds of West Ham supporters chanted ‘Viva Lazio’ at numerous points during the game in a macabre show of support for the hooligans who left at least 10 Spurs fans injured and one needing emergency surgery.

VIDEO: Anti-semitic chants at Spurs? Fan's video captures shouts in stands

Ashley Mills, 25, of Essex, had to be admitted to hospital for stab wounds to his head and groin after being set upon by a gang of masked thugs while in Rome for Tottenham’s Europa League match against Lazio. Two men have since been charged with attempted murder.

Italian flags were seen in the away section on Sunday and a red flare was also set off. After Tottenham had scored their second and third goals, ‘Lazio’ was chanted, bringing ironic cheers from the home crowd.

The most distasteful chants were saved for towards the end. In reply to Spurs fans chanting, ‘Can we play you every week?’ West Ham fans sang: ‘Can we stab you every week?’

Anti-semitic chanting, hissing and the references to Hitler then followed.

The FA said they would await reports from referee Andre Marriner and fourth official Mark Clattenburg before taking further action.

At the double: Jermain Defoe scored twice as Tottenham cruised to victory over West Ham

Chance: Tottenham's Gareth Bale tries to score past West Ham's Mohamed Diame (left) at White Hart Lane yesterday

WEST HAM'S OFFICIAL STATEMENT

West Ham United are in contact with Tottenham Hotspur to assist them with their investigation into the conduct of a small number of supporters and alleged inappropriate chanting during yesterday's match at White Hart Lane.

West Ham United will take the strongest possible action against any of their supporters, including enforcing life bans from the club, that are found guilty of behaviour which is categorically not condoned by West Ham United.

During the 46 games in the Championship last season, West Ham United had zero arrests for racism or violence, so while we are surprised to see such reports today, we will examine any available evidence of such conduct thoroughly and take the appropriate action.

West Ham manager Sam Allardyce said he had not heard the chanting but agreed his fans ‘should not be doing that’. Spurs manager Andre Villas-Boas branded the chants as ‘stupid’.

Allardyce said: ‘I don’t hear what the fans say or do when I’m concentrating on a game of football.

‘They shouldn’t be doing things like that, should they? But it’s the least of my worries at the minute.’

Asked about the Hitler chanting, Allardyce said: ‘If I didn’t hear it, I can’t condemn it. I’ll wait and look at it myself and then I’ll comment after I’ve listened to what they’ve said. I don’t want to be a political animal. I’m in here to talk about football, not what fans are saying or singing.’

Villas-Boas said: ‘We know the animosity there is between Tottenham and West Ham. As long as it doesn’t reach stupidity, it is a great rivalry.

Aftermath: The Drunken Ship pub in Rome were Spurs fans were attacked this week

‘I understand the whole situation is unavoidable although we can’t decipher the complete meaning of what they were singing.’

The two clubs have a long-standing history of abuse between supporters. Former West Ham striker Jermain Defoe, who was booed throughout, scored two of the goals in the win for Tottenham, a victory that takes them one place above the Hammers.

Spurs fans have been the subject of complaints by the Society of Black Lawyers who objected to the White Hart Lane supporters singing ‘Yid Army’ about themselves. Sportsmail has highlighted that this kind of disgraceful chanting is just as despicable as racist abuse, pointing out unacceptable behaviour such as vile abuse Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is subjected to at various grounds.

Sheffield Wednesday boss Dave Jones, who has been the victim of sustained abuse, said: ‘It is like a form of racism because it is every bit as bad.’

Spurs supporters rushed to condemn their West Ham rivals on Twitter.

Three and easy: Tottenham climbed above the Hammers with this win on Sunday

Andrew Leason wrote: 'West Ham fans & their Lazio/Hitler chants showing what utter vile scum they are.'

West Ham fan Andrew Wiseman posted: 'The minority of hammers fans with the Lazio chants should hang their heads in shame. And I'm a Hammer. Pathetic.'

Ed Aarons commented: 'Not surprised at all by reports of moronic Lazio chants by West Ham fans at WHL. Not exactly known for their intelligence.'

West Ham fans were also accused of hissing in reference to the Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazis in concentration camps.

'Hissing, Lazio chants and (letting off) a flare. You classless bunch of p***** are really enjoying your cup final, aren't you West Ham,' posted Louise Page.

And Charlie Parrish added: 'Next to West Ham away fans. Lots of Lazio chants. Football's pretty grim sometimes.'

[GoldenGol 646]

Partiti i primi arresti, ai quali seguono ovviamente daspo a vita da tutti gli stadi del Regno Unito, sono curioso di vedere quanti ne verranno messi dentro, anche se generalmente si fa tutto senza sbandierare troppo in giro.

Benayoun duramente risentito per il comportamento dei propri tifosi, lui che è israeliano. Io non capisco come si possa essere più idioti, a maggior ragione avendo un proprio giocatore coinvolto.. Mah!

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[GoldenGol 646]

STUPENDA! @@

La canzone è di Cisco dei Modena City Ramblers

Davvero stupenda @@

[Lampard 0]

Proprio una domenica di melma ieri due partite di Premier orrende e per distacco la peggior prestazione dell'era Conte

Fortuna che esistono i prescritti che riescono sempre a tirarci su il morale

[bimbo1989 1924]

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E' uguale

[Meglio Calvo che Pelato 5325]

Era il 1976,si giocava Irlanda del Nord Olanda,giocava contro Johan Cruyff,uno dei più forti di tutti i tempi. Al 5' minuto Best prende palla,salta un uomo ne salta un altro,ma non punta la porta punta il centro del campo,punta Cruyff. Gli arriva davanti gli fa una finta di corpo e poi un tunnel,poi calcia via il pallone,si gira e gli dice "tu sei il più forte di tutti ma solo perchè io non ho tempo"...

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Era il 1976,si giocava Irlanda del Nord Olanda,giocava contro Johan Cruyff,uno dei più forti di tutti i tempi. Al 5' minuto Best prende palla,salta un uomo ne salta un altro,ma non punta la porta punta il centro del campo,punta Cruyff. Gli arriva davanti gli fa una finta di corpo e poi un tunnel,poi calcia via il pallone,si gira e gli dice "tu sei il più forte di tutti ma solo perchè io non ho tempo"...

GENIO.

comunque dite quello che volete, ma i campioni di una volta erano decisamente più forti di quelli di ora

[Meglio Calvo che Pelato 5325]

GENIO.

comunque dite quello che volete, ma i campioni di una volta erano decisamente più forti di quelli di ora

sicuramente erano più carismatici, più "personaggi"

da qualche anno sembra uno sport di fighette

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sicuramente erano più carismatici, più "personaggi"

da qualche anno sembra uno sport di fighette

si, più uomini certamente, ma anche come qualità imho

maradona, pele, best, zidane, van basten, di stefano, platini, zico, cantona, baggio ecc.

[Servillo23 5108]

sicuramente erano più carismatici, più "personaggi"

da qualche anno sembra uno sport di fighette

Ecco bravo, hai centrato in pieno il punto.

[bimbo1989 1924]

sicuramente erano più carismatici, più "personaggi"

da qualche anno sembra uno sport di fighette

bisogna anche dire che se una cosa così adesso la facessero, che ne so, Cristiano Ronaldo o Ibrahimovic, il mondo si sdegnerebbe

siamo onesti con noi stessi

[Meglio Calvo che Pelato 5325]

bisogna anche dire che se una cosa così adesso la facessero, che ne so, Cristiano Ronaldo o Ibrahimovic, il mondo si sdegnerebbe

siamo onesti con noi stessi

appunto

ma perchè siamo ipocriti

se un nostro giocatore avesse fatto quel che ha fatto best, pippe a raffica, in caso contrario insulti e scandalo.

idem qualsiasi altra tifoseria. prima no. siamo all'esasperazione mediatica.

poi una volta ci si picchiava in campo in silenzio, oggi manco ti toccano che ti rotoli a terra piangendo e chiamando fallo.

[bimbo1989 1924]

appunto

ma perchè siamo ipocriti

se un nostro giocatore avesse fatto quel che ha fatto best, pippe a raffica, in caso contrario insulti e scandalo.

idem qualsiasi altra tifoseria. prima no. siamo all'esasperazione mediatica.

poi una volta ci si picchiava in campo in silenzio, oggi manco ti toccano che ti rotoli a terra piangendo e chiamando fallo.

ma come tante cose che si sono lette nel topic di Gazza eh, tipo quella dell'autografo sul pallone

in pratica stiamo giustificando anche l'ormai storica esultanza di Adecantscore in Arsenal-Spurs, di questi tempi è stato trattato da infame, se fosse successo 40 anni fa sarebbe tra gli aneddoti mitici

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bisogna anche dire che se una cosa così adesso la facessero, che ne so, Cristiano Ronaldo o Ibrahimovic, il mondo si sdegnerebbe

siamo onesti con noi stessi

ibrahimovic lo stimo al massimo, unico vero personaggio degno di quelli di un tempo, uomo vero

dove va dice la verità(togliamo il giochino del tifo da bambino) va dove lo pagano e bon

[GoldenGol 646]

ibrahimovic lo stimo al massimo, unico vero personaggio degno di quelli di un tempo, uomo vero

dove va dice la verità(togliamo il giochino del tifo da bambino) va dove lo pagano e bon

No dai le foto di questo qua con quella maglia là nel topic della Premier non si possono vedere dai

PER FORTUNA, l'unico campionato d'Europa dove non ha mai messo piede @@

[GoldenGol 646]

Cabaye fuori fino a fine gennaio, durissimo colpo x i Geordies